Kontakt 5.0.2 Partly solved issues

MikaFrench31

Hi Frits,

You were right! Wink

I have partly solved the problem.
There are still some compatibility issues but much less.

How? I optimized the computer up.

Particular, the memory management in the register.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \ SYSTEM \ CurrentControlSet \ Control \ Session Manager \ Memory Management "SecondLevelDataCache" (L2 cache memory value) and "LargeSystemCache" (1).

Beware of manipulation in the registry at your own risk.

I deleted the SWAP (swap file). Attention must be at least 8 GB of RAM. (I have 16 GB)

My configuration: Windows 7 Pro 64 - 16 GB RAM - 3.7 GHz - Podium 64 3.2.0 - Kontakt 5.0.2

In general, for now, I have not met total incompatibility of Kontakt with another plugin.

Problems arise when combining several other plugins.

To avoid losing your best groove:
Before adding another plugin: save your arrangement to another arrangement (New arrangement as single copy).
Add the plugin in the original arrangement. Podium close and restart the computer. Close Only Podium is not enough.
Reopen the arrangement and whether Kontakt is ok.

Beware also if you add outputs in the output section from Kontakt.

So, I started my computer about 30 times. d'oh!

I have verified Kontakt 5.0.2 compatibility with:
- Ivory 1.64
- Atmosphere
- Dune
- Nexus 2
- Addictive Drums 1.5
- IK Miroslav Philharmonik
- Alchemy
- SFZ +
- Korg M1
- RealLPC
- RealGuitar 2
- RealStrat
and Nucleum Very Happy

Until NI so a more stable version or that Frits us around the problem Wink

If this can help others ...
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Windows 7 Pro 64 - Podium 64 3.1.0

kingtubby · Licensee Joined: 30 May 2004 Posts: 377

Thanks for reporting. I don't think I'd have the patience to go through all that though Wink

I'm waiting until (hopefully) Frits finds a proper solution to this as currently Kontakt and Podium aren't a good mix - which is a shame as generally setting up multi-timbral instruments in Podium is so easy.

MikaFrench31 · Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:35 pm Post subject:

Hi Frits,

To know when a solution will be developed for better management of Kontakt?

I look forward to it
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Zynewave · Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:07 pm Post subject:

MikaFrench31 · Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:21 am Post subject:

thank you for your quick response Frits.

How so? You do not develop 24/24 hours ? Evil or Very Mad

It is not well, not well ! Wink

You're right, there's something else more interesting to do in life.

Ok I'll be patient
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The Telenator · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:42 am Post subject:

I recently got Kontakt 5 and Reaktor 5 bundled with a keyboard I bought. I haven't tried them with Podium yet -- and it's not critical I use them at all because I have plenty of other great sounds and instruments -- but are you saying Native Instruments software does not work or does not work smoothly with Podium?

If so, what is the problem this time? I have the Abbey Road Drums now with this software, and I sure would like to use them eventually. I suppose I could always produce those drums on my Reaper or Ableton and bring them to Podium.

I can't understand from this thread what the issue is. What's up?

MikaFrench31 · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:18 am Post subject:

The Telenator · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:40 am Post subject:

Oh, yeah. I remember that! And I can now personally verify that the licensing was a real horror show. The website kept telling me I wasn't logged in when in fact I was and it even stated so at the top of the page. After signing some five times, it finally gave me the key number (for an off-line computer registration). Then, I was done with those people!

Mine, being a bundled freebie with hardware, gratefully came with somewhat under a gig of files. I think also the players/host they are offering now is technically 5.5, so it may not be as bad as the former. I read about improvements to the player, for example.

I need to review the other thread some more, though, since I'm unclear about what the issue is as it applies to Podium.

MikaFrench31 · Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:04 pm Post subject:

Hi Frits,

One more time to know when a solution will be developed for better management of Kontakt?

If I add other plugins, the compatibility list that I made (see the beginning of the post) is no longer valid.

This problem is very frustrating. I can not compose music the way I want.
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Zynewave · Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:37 am Post subject:

Hi Mika,

I'll start on this in January. I'll reply to this topic when I have something to report.

The Telenator · Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:50 pm Post subject:

I was just thinking about the incompatibilities of Native Instruments stuff with Podium, so I decided to pass by this thread. Honestly, if it were not for the Abbey Road Drums that requires Kontakt, I would get rid of all NI software in a heartbeat. Every other news or PR release currently seems to be yet another instrument designed for Kontakt. I find this rather annoying. So I suppose it comes as no surprise that I really don't care much whether Podium is compatible with NI. I am curious to know exactly what the trouble is though. Can anyone explain specifically?

sobaka · Joined: 03 Nov 2012 Posts: 33 Location: Moscow

I think, case to the CPU or RAM load by adding a instrument in the Kontakt ...
few samples in instrument - normal
many (more 1gb) - crash
it is a problem of Kontakt and not Podium,..
in Reaper or other DAW this also happens, but rarely ...
need to run the podium through the debugger, and see what will talk disassembler Wink

...
... effects of NI - work fine ...

MikaFrench31 · Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:09 pm Post subject:

I advanced in the search for possible causes of failure. It seems that the combination of 64-bit Kontakt with other 32-bit VST (especially multitimbral VST) is the cause.
And it's not a problem of Kontakt for me.
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The Telenator · Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:24 am Post subject:

I must admit, I gave up on Kontakt and all NI products. Podium is not alone -- NI products can act up in other hosts. I had issues in Ableton Live 8 also, before I gave Live to a musician friend of mine. I've read the forum threads elsewhere, too. It seems like if it wasn't one thing, it was another. Certain issues in Reaper as well.

Whenever you have a plugin that is liable to bring along a gig or more of memory-filling stuff, it just begs for troubles (not saying it guarantees it, though). Also, licensing flukes have turned up for some users in other DAWs. I don't recall the details, but redoing the NI licensing was required.

The very last straw for me, after a string of other odd events, was one day with Kontakt in standalone, it decided to open a new instance of my ASIO driver each time I added or switch instruments in its framework. Suddenly, my PC is very unhappy, and I notice in the corner of my taskbar 4 icons for my ASIO. Then, to make matters worse Kontakt won't shut down. End of story -- no more Native Instruments anywhere near my PC. Funny, but I don't miss it much. I never owned its Massive synth or any of the pricey, better instruments. Most I had were the 2nd-rate free or cheap ones. I found 137 leftover reg entries after a full uninstall, too. Not happy about that at all, but they're gone now.

MikaFrench31 · Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 5:09 pm Post subject:

Hi Frits,

Just ask news again ...
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