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LiquidProj3ct
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 Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:08 am Post subject: Re: Preview 2.25: Zoom snapshots & revised track height |
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• Added "Load Color Setup" submenu and "Explore Setup Folder" command to the Setup menu.
• The installer now creates a "Color Setups" subfolder in the main Podium setup folder. If you have saved your own color setup files you need to move those into the "Color Setups" folder to make them appear in the "Load Color Setup" submenu.
• The meter dB indicator lines inside the meters are colored with the text color.
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I don't know if its the best moment for ask for this. Could have a track a default event colour and event colour relative to track color? Example, if you track color is yellow and you select black as note colour, the note colour will be yellow+black = brown.
I ask this because in nice colours designs I find this:
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Mike G
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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I've been waiting for this one.
This is great, thanks again.
Few suggestions...
- I think I'd like the snapshots would be better to stick against an editor profile. not to be stored per profile, just for the profile to remember the previous snapshot.
- I'm not sure "Snapshot" is the best name, sounds like a freeze/bounce feature!! How about "Zoom setting", or "navigator setting" or "Zoom notch"...?
.. These below are not really directly related to this feature... but here goes anyway..
- When trying to zoom out past the ends of the current selection It's harder to zoom out so that you can add more stuff after the end of the current arrangement, much harder than it was with a scroll bar. I will just add the scroll bar back in in my profile but wonder if the default setup could be made better. Can you think of a way of making this work in the navigator in an intuitive way?
The bext idea I can come up with is to allow scrolling of the navigator past the end of the last item in the arrangement.
- I still keep thinking that the editor profile buttons belong at the top near to all the other "view" options/menus etc...
(...Ctd - Pause to wash a baby!)
Basically to me it feels that the editor profile buttons should control all that is below them. Lik emost of the other view options at the top of the screen. It particularly feels odd when you click "Big transport" and the profile buttons all jump away from where they were.
In know last time I suggested this it was for different reasons (I wanted to claim back the space taken up by the buttons)
Anyway i'd be interested to see what others think.
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thcilnnahoj
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike G wrote: | - I still keep thinking that the editor profile buttons belong at the top next to all the other "view" options/menus etc...
What do other people think? |
Hmm, I think they're fine where they are now...
Both the editor and mixer are residing in the lower half of the screen, meaning all the mouse movements will probably happen in the lower half while you're working with one of them. I think if the editor profile bar was at the top, there'd be some extra mousing required, as you would click "mixer" in the menu, move the mouse halfway down the screen to be able to use the thing you just opened, and then move the mouse back to the top to close the mixer again. But since it's all so nicely customizable, it shouldn't be a problem, even for new users, to move the buttons wherever they like.
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- When trying to zoom out past the ends of the current selection It's harder to zoom out, much harder than it was with a scroll bar. I will just add the scroll bar back in. But can you think of a way of making this work in the navigator in an intuitive way? |
Not sure I understand right - did you mean past the end of the whole arrangement, perhaps? Otherwise I find the navigator is best used with the scroll-wheel. I almost never use the handles myself.
But also allowing the zoom pane to just slide to the right, past the end of the arrangement would be very handy. |
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Zynewave
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| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:07 am Post subject: |
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| thcilnnahoj wrote: | Love the zoom snapshots! It's great that the vertical zoom setting is also stored - this is extra nice as you can, for example, use one snapshot for precise editing. But to be honest, with the track height setting I used up until now, a maximum of 200% zoom is much too small for this kind of editing.
My suggestions are these (one for me, one for you  ):
1. I set my tracks' default height much larger from now on and try to use a vertical zoom level smaller than the default for normal arranging. Then I can zoom in as far as I like during editing. The disadvantage is that I have to set up two extra things, and I can't use Ctrl-click on the zoom slider anymore.
2. The max. zoom amount is increased some more again. |
Try the new beta3. The vertical zoom is now exponential, so the default middle position is still 100%, but maximum zoom is 400% instead of 200%. Beta3 also has a small change to the way track height dragging is handled. |
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thcilnnahoj
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| Beta 3 looks good. Have you thought about making the snapshots available through keyboard shortcuts, like maybe shift+1 through 9? |
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ronin
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:08 am Post subject: |
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I've tested Beta 3 and it seemed to work as expected but I'm not 100% happy with the snapshot feature.
The snapshot feature would be more useful for me if it only remembers the zoom settings and not the view position. Instead the zoom should be centered around the edit cursor. This would allow me to set zoom settings for "edit crossfades" and for "arranging parts" for example. Maybe someone else thinks this is useful? Can this be added as an option for the feature?
Shortcuts would also be very important for that feature. I guess it is intended to speed up zooming so a shortcut would be a lot faster than seek&click 
A small feature request which doesn't really fit in this: can we have something like "loop selection"? I often edit a specific part/event and want to loop that. It would be nice to select a part/event and loop that with a single keystroke. |
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thcilnnahoj
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| ronin wrote: | | A small feature request which doesn't really fit in this: can we have something like "loop selection"? I often edit a specific part/event and want to loop that. It would be nice to select a part/event and loop that with a single keystroke. |
Press Alt-L! Or select "Set Loop Around Selection" from the right-click menu on the loop region above the timeline.
I, in turn, would welcome a "zoom selection" function. I think this is only possible with segment selections at the moment. |
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ronin
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| thcilnnahoj wrote: |
Press Alt-L! Or select "Set Loop Around Selection" from the right-click menu on the loop region above the timeline.
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 I've looked around and didn't find it! Right-clicking in the loop region is somehow obvious and somehow a good hideout. Anyway, thanks thcilnnahoj. |
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Zynewave
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Beta4 is up:
The .pod file format is updated with the zoom snapshots, so back up your projects before saving them with this beta, in case you need to go back to 2.24.
Press Shift+1..9 to recall a snapshot.
Moved the "follow focus track" and "follow control surface" options from the mixer menu to the editor View menu. This means that the options now apply to both the tracks region and the mixer.
I've modified the way that the zoom range is displayed in the navigator. Hovering the mouse over a snapshot button will highlight the zoom range in the navigator. Let me know what you think of the new style. |
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Zynewave
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Preview 2.25: Zoom snapshots & revised track height |
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| LiquidProj3ct wrote: | I don't know if its the best moment for ask for this. Could have a track a default event colour and event colour relative to track color? Example, if you track color is yellow and you select black as note colour, the note colour will be yellow+black = brown.
I ask this because in nice colours designs I find this:
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This is out of scope for this release. Remember to bring it up again when I resume work on updating the editors.
I will say though: With the extensive color customizations available in Podium, it's impossible to ensure that all color combinations will stand out. |
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Zynewave
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike G wrote: | | - I'm not sure "Snapshot" is the best name, sounds like a freeze/bounce feature!! How about "Zoom setting", or "navigator setting" or "Zoom notch"...? |
Really? I thought the word snapshot was appropriate in the sense that it is a photographic snapshot of the zoom pane in the navigator. It may be more obvious with the snapshot mouse-over highlighting in the new beta4. Anyone else think that "zoom snapshot" is a misnomer?
| Quote: | - When trying to zoom out past the ends of the current selection It's harder to zoom out so that you can add more stuff after the end of the current arrangement, much harder than it was with a scroll bar. I will just add the scroll bar back in in my profile but wonder if the default setup could be made better. Can you think of a way of making this work in the navigator in an intuitive way?
The bext idea I can come up with is to allow scrolling of the navigator past the end of the last item in the arrangement. |
Is that because you use the horizontal zoom slider or the rightmost arrow button on the scrollbar? I mostly use the mouse wheel over the timeline ruler or the navigator to quickly zoom out and then zoom in on the new section. Sometimes I also use the Shift+Alt shortcut for the slide tool.
| Quote: | - I still keep thinking that the editor profile buttons belong at the top near to all the other "view" options/menus etc...
(...Ctd - Pause to wash a baby!)
Basically to me it feels that the editor profile buttons should control all that is below them. Lik emost of the other view options at the top of the screen. It particularly feels odd when you click "Big transport" and the profile buttons all jump away from where they were.
In know last time I suggested this it was for different reasons (I wanted to claim back the space taken up by the buttons)
Anyway i'd be interested to see what others think. |
Considering the way that the profiles are implemented, it would make sense to put them at the top, as a container for the entire editor. I placed them at the bottom because then they are closer to the editor/mixer/transport, which is the only part that is different in the default profiles. Less distance to move your mouse. |
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Zynewave
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| ronin wrote: | I've tested Beta 3 and it seemed to work as expected but I'm not 100% happy with the snapshot feature.
The snapshot feature would be more useful for me if it only remembers the zoom settings and not the view position. Instead the zoom should be centered around the edit cursor. This would allow me to set zoom settings for "edit crossfades" and for "arranging parts" for example. Maybe someone else thinks this is useful? Can this be added as an option for the feature?
Shortcuts would also be very important for that feature. I guess it is intended to speed up zooming so a shortcut would be a lot faster than seek&click |
The new beta4 has key shortcuts for the zoom snapshots. I think it would complicate the snapshot feature a bit too much if it should be optional to exclude the view position from a snapshot. |
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Zynewave
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| Mike G wrote: | - When trying to zoom out past the ends of the current selection It's harder to zoom out so that you can add more stuff after the end of the current arrangement, much harder than it was with a scroll bar. I will just add the scroll bar back in in my profile but wonder if the default setup could be made better. Can you think of a way of making this work in the navigator in an intuitive way?
The bext idea I can come up with is to allow scrolling of the navigator past the end of the last item in the arrangement. |
I've enabled dragging the zoom pane beyond the length of the arrangement. I think it works ok. |
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z_sfyr
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:34 am Post subject: |
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[editors... at the bottom because then they are closer to the editor/mixer/transport, which is the only part that is different in the default profiles. Less distance to move your mouse.]
Absolutley agree. The whole interface is largely customisable. It took me a while to fully appreciate how much so, but it seems that there is very little that can't be designed to preference.
Oh, I think "Snapshot" is clear & succint,btw.[/quote] |
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thcilnnahoj
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Navigator looks great!
My only gripe is that the "snapshot preview" is rather hard to see most of the time, but especially when previewing a snapshot that's smaller than the current zoom range.
Can you really tell where it is in this picture (thumbnail)?
My suggestion: Instead of showing both the current zoom range and the preview, temporarily remove the zoom pane and only highlight the snapshot area. The current snapshot preview doesn't have the zoom pane's handles, so I think the chance of someone mistaking it for the actual zoom pane is not very high anyway.
Follow focus track is nice too, but as expected, it doesn't work with the embedded editor.
I thought about suggesting the tracks view should scroll to the focus track whenever it gets out of view (unless you manually scroll away from it, of course) - if you didn't want that, you could just disable follow focus track on the 'Editor' editor profile.
...However, this poses another problem, as the event opened in the editor is not necessarily on the focus track at all.
So the best solution I can think of right now would be reworking it to just "Follow Selection" - as in follow whatever is actively selected (track or event)... I think that'd work very well.  |
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